what do we say to the god of death?
not today *sets difficulty to casual*
When you go to someones house for the first time and you sit there like
……………..It’s a 489 page essay about the Bay movies and the writer kinda ships MegaStar. Oops I read it all in one night. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
I agree with the writer and you, there is a complex relationship between these two that needs to be taken into consideration. No matter the universe, it keeps being present for some funny reason and every time it’s a bit different. Their relationship happens to be the most constant throughout the TF universes and I guess the writers agree with us on that it’s also the most interesting one since they keep putting it into every verse ever.
My short answer is going to be yes, there is lots of very suggestive if even impossible to deny subtext between these two in the movies and that essay just points things out so it’s easier to see. (Also I loved how respectful and how concious the commentary was and I throughoutly enjoyed it and how it went very into Megatron’s character telling about him and sympathizing with him.) I found Megatron in Bayverse to be the best written and most tragic character in the series and every time he’s on screen there’s special attention given to his animation and reactions and writing aside it makes him almost impossible to dislike. Starscream on the other hand is much more simple yet his character does a lot of flips and I think of him as someone who once cared for Megatron but turned into a disappointed bitter thing who still tries to see the good in him and it’s debatable whether or not he succeeds but what we know is that he’s stays with Megatron until the very end.
I’m one of those who think Starscream is Megatron’s most loyal follower since he’ll be there no matter what. No seriously, if there is a Megatron it’s guaranteed Starscream is on his side. Snarking and criticizing probably, but still never leaving. Mind you this longer answer underneath is much more rambling and speaks of multiple universes but my point is to talk about these two in general and what kind of interaction the audience who knows them from previous series expected and from what I expected from them and how I see them and what are the crucial things when it comes to this important relationship.
Something that pushes a lot of people away from Megatron/Starscream interaction and or shipping it is the vast power imbalance between Megatron and Starscream (in Bayverse and TFP especially). Their characters and relationship is mostly misunderstood by a lot of fans and official writers. They deliberately go for a negative portrayal for both of them and tend to make Megatron a mindless sadist and Starscream incompetent and cowardly when he’s the only one with the guts to stand up against Megatron and tell him exactly what everyone else is thinking. The funny thing that Starscream’s position in the army shows is that it proves Megatron respects him for that. Also against popular belief MegaStar shippers don’t enjoy Starscream getting the shit beaten out of him because we’re sadistic assholes but because sometimes Starscream does things that are so unbelieveably wrong, he deserves the punishment he gets and then we are talking about situations where he gets so pissed he’s going to ram the Earth into the Sun just from spite.
Starscream is that character who at the same time is the kind of dickface that you want to punch in the face, but he is also admirable since he gets up after every failure and not only gets even, but demands admiration and he has an incredible amount of self respect and is very capable at what he does and you know when he gets pissed, it’s the worst thing that can happen. I can only speak for myself but I find him to be the kind of person I want to be but I know he’s going about it the wrong way so at the same time it’s a lession. So for me it’s like ‘be Starscream but less of an ass and you can archieve anything’.
I think Megatron sees him in a similar way. He’s shown to praise Starscream and Starscream has many times shown his skill that made him the second in command of an army and every time they are doing well they are shown to get a long very well. It’s mostly when Starscream is disappointed in Megatron that the problems arise. Speaking of canon Starscream liking Megatron, this something that is something of an backstory for Bay!Starscream in the official comics and novels. I haven’t read the movie comics so I can’t quote a full story but I’ve seen panels from here and there and they definitely go their way to show affection between these two. Bay!Starscream’s TFwiki page is worthy of checking out. So yes it’s canon that Starscream once admired Megatron but thinks he’s lost his way, how exactly he did so and what he was like before and what tjis tells about Starscream’s character would still be so very interesting to know for certain.
The movies have mostly forgotten about Starscream’s competence, but I don’t hold it against them since they forgot a lot of the other stuff too. Also Megatron is like Galvatron in the way that he’s prone to violent bursts and unthought final decicions. He has changed from what he was into a worse version of himself thanks to the experiments and the long war but the movies goes into showing that these two used to have a different kind of much closer relationship in the past and the two also had robo-babies that old Megs seem to care about quite a lot? Someone put the robo-babies there and I’m never letting it go.
I like Bayverse for its’ huge (if mostly unused) potential and the much more organic portrayal of Cybertronians and I find the relationship between Megatron and Starscream easy to be explored in unique ways only possible in this universe and it’s interesting to wonder what’s left of that relationship to this day.
I wish the movies would have gone more into depth about these two but it hardly focused on the bots anyway and still we got more information and interaction between Megatron and Starscream than we did between any other two robots. It’s hard to be unbiased when we’re talking about my two favourite characters and favourite ship and since it happens to be one of the more controversal ones, there’s a lot of need to explain myself if I want to avoid misunderstandings. Anyway I think my answer has gone long enough. Thank you for the message! :))
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edit. also no customer if i say i’m going to be here until three o’clock and you make it here just before that, it doesn’t mean i’m going to stay here for the extra ten minutes it takes for me to finish your stuff
Here you go : )!!! Hope you like it ^^
And I made a process for this pic too.
James Roberts on the fandom’s reaction to Chromedome and Rewind.
THREE CHEERS FOR THE TRANSFORMERS FANDOM.
(you can read the interview here)